thanks for the encouragement beardfather. im liking having the hair on my face, however as much as i would love a full viking beard i suppose im best to make the most out of what i have got, so im thinking i need to tidy the neckline a little and maybe even the cheeks, because unless a mouse pees pure testosterone onto my cheeks in my sleep, then they arent going to fill out much. I like the look of the van dyke, maybe even with hair along the jawline too? what do you think? i reckon this would suit me more anyway.....guess you always want what you cant have lolĀ