(I'll update my avavtar soon as the old one won't help matters)
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Uncle Beesly |
Help, beard is changing my perceived ethnicity! |
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Hello, now I have absolutely no problem with people of other faiths, creeds & indeed countries but since growing my longterm goatee into a (relatively)
full beard I keep getting into mistaken ethnicity issues. I have been repeatedly mistaken for an orthodox jew; in a kebab shop I was taken to be a fellow
Iraqi and more recently I was asked if I was Turkish! What should I do? I have quite a big nose . Should I seek out a good plastic surgeon rather than (heaven
forbid) reach for the razor blade? Or should I go back to the goatee & the slightly camp-illusionist look that went with that...or maybe I should stop
dying my beard that overly dark brown colour? Thanks a lot.
(I'll update my avavtar soon as the old one won't help matters) |
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Uncle Beesly |
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Oh - forgoat to say - I am Scottish and white. Again, the avatar may not help matters. I'll change soon.
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TribalJMD |
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ya like mention, it happens
I get called native american a bit sometimes, other than that, people just think I'm a biker (lol the long hair and beard) asking me what kind of bike I have, haha I don't even have one, yet |
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marcAB10 |
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i'm scottish and white and most people think i'm american?? (before i speak obviously) Also i have been told a few times i look like part of the
taleban......... Does it bother you a lot? i never care too much tbh but i'd say if it does really bother you then go with your 'stop dying it'
plan and see how that goes.
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razorBurn |
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Don't get a nose job. Perhaps you could do some carved beard or a circle beard? Something that would look less Jewish?
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NJE03 |
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This doesn't really sound like much of a problem to me, you can simply explain to those to those who question you that you are merely a man with a beard.
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Kramer |
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Well at least if you need to go incognito for any reason you can choose any culture you like. lol. I think it depends on what your wearing and where you are at
the time. Iam basically pure British and I have been mistaken for Jewish, Italian, Cuban, Iranian, and even South African. I normally laugh at these
suggestions because I totally dont see any of it. Most of the time though, the people commenting actually belong to that culture so iam surprised that they
would mistake someone else as having a similar backgound.
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FreeBeard |
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Sorry to hear that the comments are getting to you. It's something we all deal with in one way or another. I am primarily northern Germanic ancestry with
some Gaelic and Slavic admixture. I have fairly light skin but very dark hair. I still get occasional comments about ethnicity. Lots of times it's people
kidding around, saying things like "Hey Abdullah" or "Bin Laden". Sometimes it's just an honest mistake on the part of a stranger
who's curious because my longer beard is not "the norm" in American culture.
In the past, I've had a few black folks tell me I look just like Abe Lincoln. I don't think I look anything like Lincoln. My beard's not even close, and anyone who paid the least attention to beard styles would see I have a full moustache and Lincoln did not. It's just that those who don't have much cultural exposure to beards, are blind to such nuances: A beard is a beard is a beard to them. I really don't care. Like Kramer, I find the strange conclusions that people sometimes draw to be very humorous. Perhaps the Iraqis saying you're one of them is a way of paying you a compliment of sorts, since they would obviously have lots of exposure to beards in their culture. I've had Sikhs take interest in and talk to me about my beard before. Try to learn to just laugh it off or use it as a moment to enlighten people and spread the beard-gospel. It's a shame that in this day and age, beards are not truly appreciated in the Western world and are instead relegated to stereotypes of minority groups. The more those of us of European-descent choose to grow and maintain beards, the more universal beard growing will become. By growing beards, we are helping to put an end to such stereotyping, which IMO is a good thing, for all parties concerned. |
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sctb |
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For me, the question would come down to personal
preference. What ethnicity people perceive me to be just doesn't factor into it. Wear what facial hair you like the most! - Scott |
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AmericanEuroMutt |
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My dad grew a full beard only once in his life, for only three months (no remaining photographs), and has otherwise remained fully-shaven. Because his hair is
black and his skin tans easily, he has been mistakenly labeled a member of various ethnic groups, especially when his job took him on brief but frequent
outdoor visits in the summer and fall. This can happen even without a beard!
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LateBloomerDanko |
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I suppose when people guess your ethnicity wrong, you can just continue to politely say your correct one. Maybe you can choose a facial hair style that seems
to be popular among men with a European background. Though it seems like most styles are shared by men of all backgrounds generally. Hmm, this is a tough one.
I guess, you could also look through the Scottish part of your European genetics and maybe find some fancy styles worn by Scotsmen.
Man, this topic really made me think. Very interesting topic. I never thought about how facial hair could make a man look like he is of another background. Happy "Bearding"
Beards in olden times, were the emblems of wisdom and piety.
-Thomas Babington Macaulay There's no wrong way to sport a beard, just like there's no wrong way to eat a Reece's. -Danko
Last Edited By: LateBloomerDanko
07/04/09 02:26:12.
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jeroensebastiaan |
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This happens to me as well, I've recently been asked whether I'm Muslim and have been in situations were people shouted 'Jew! Jew!' when I had
long sideburns. I don't mind, even though I probably would mind the latter if I were infact a Jew because I don't think those boys ment it in a
friendly way. Or have been approached in English by fellow Dutchmen in the Netherlands. You said you wanted a nosejob, this sounds really strange to me since
you haven't said anything noteworthy about your nose, there seems to be nothing wrong with it, except that it is big.
If you absolutely HAVE to do something I suggest you go back to the Kebab-shop and ask for fellow-Iraqi-discount. |
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Dave |
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TribalJMD wrote: Just reply; I got a Schwinn. Then wait a couple of seconds for it to register in their brain, and then smile and laugh. |
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DanoFromCO |
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These type of comments says more about them than it does about you. It is not your responsibility to change in order to avoid comments because of stereotypes
they've developed over the years. When you point out the error, hopefully it will help educate them. Understand that I bet most of the time these people
don't even realize how stupid they sound when they make such an uninformed comment.
What we don't get enough are the positive comments about our beards from the "silent majority". Unfortunately it is often easier to say something critical or negative than flattering and positive, but you typically only hear either ignorant comments or simply mean comments from those that can't stand the idea of someone being bearded from wherever their particular prejudice comes from. I would suggest you either just laugh it off, embarrass them by pointing out their ignorance, or just simply ignore them.
Patience shall be rewarded!
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marcAB10 |
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DanoFromCO wrote:It's funny you say that, just the other day i was at work, and a colegue walks round the corner, she is an older woman who i only know to say hi to but always thought she seemed pleasant, now as soon as she see's me.. "Oh no, i don't like that at all" with a slight disgruntled look on her face as she looked at my beard "No i don't like the beard at all".. so i simply looked at her and said "your being very rude" and she could see i wasn't happy at the sudden attack. she grabbed another older colegue passing by and said "don't you think he used to be such a good looking guy but not now with the beard", to witch the other woman agreed. I told them i thought they were both being rude and uneccesarry. The woman continued to tell me how she hates beards and that her husband once grew one till she managed to break him down and shave it off.. she could still see i wasn't happy and i think to try and justify her rudeness she then grabbed another older woman colegue passing by and asked if she liked it. The woman jokingly said "oh you should have replied that you didn't like her beard" to which i said.. "No, because i'm not rude!!" |
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Edward Hill |
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Sounds like you work with some real idiots there, marcAB10.
Her husband must be whipped if she could "break him down" over his beard. Pathetic. I think I'd sooner get a divorce than suffer through incessant insults over my appearance from my wife. In fact, you should get in touch with him and start sending him pro-beard literature and destroy their system from the inside. Get him growing a new beard, and then smile knowingly at the woman each time you see her. |
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margus |
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you simply cant expect everyone to accept or even like your beard.and yes there will always be people who think they have the rights to say whatever they
want,whenever they want.thats the way life is.
as few suggested its best to take it all as a joke or say calmly something apposite.walking away only helps when the other person is complitely stranger or someone you met on street. |
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marcAB10 |
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margus wrote:haha it would take a very simple mind for someone to expect everyone to like beards or there personal beard, when someone confronts you directly on it though, especially when you will see them again, like at work, then yes stay calm. I won't just laugh it off though, i will if i have a repore with someone who might be thinking there giving me constructive critisism but for someone who is blatently being rude, wether about my beard, clothes or anything else, i will tell them they are being rude so they know they arn't getting away with it, they could say something like that to a weaker person who it might effect a lot more persoanally. I don't care that she didn't like my beard but i did care that she was being very rude to me. |
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Edward Hill |
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Beat her up.
A good rumble in the office will make everyone's day [except hers]. Just shave your beard off before the police arrive. They'll have no idea who did it. |
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mcpacker |
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I don't have any experience with people mistaking my ethnicity but I have only been bearded for six months. What I do get is people coming up to me and
asking me what I ride or how the weather looks really good for a nice long ride. I'm not always paying attention and usually give them a confused look.
"Ride? What are you talking about?"
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Dave |
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Edward Hill wrote: LOL |
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